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what's up everybody happy thursday yup

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thursday the 28th of october it's the

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week of halloween

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i'm not a big halloween fan

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but yet it comes every year

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nothing i can do about it

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[Laughter]

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um but i am

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glad that you guys are here as always

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so today we're gonna completely rehash

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the conversation i had yesterday with

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louis he's coming back we're gonna go

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right back to it

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i'm just kidding i wouldn't do that to

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you

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so no we have a great person on today

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her name is linda thompson

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i've probably chatted with her

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you know at least a little bit uh here

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and there since

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i don't know probably since i started

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the show at least if not earlier than

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that uh she's a fantastic researcher as

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you know

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um that's

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you know kind of what i've been getting

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when i started this show uh was research

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and it just keeps me interested it keeps

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um motivated especially you know when

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you got those tasks and you and you get

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somewhere and yeah you know have your

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own little unveiling or revealing

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um it makes you just want to keep going

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it's those endorphins or whatever

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and you want to keep keep trying to find

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other stuff to help yourself help other

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people all that kind of stuff so

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um she's a great person to

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um rely on in this kind of situation

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especially if you're an experiencer

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but we will touch on that for sure so

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i got to say when i released those

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osi or when i found those osi

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kind of foreign enough to me

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not be comfortable enough just saying

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this is what i'm looking at and release

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it up you know so so she was helpful

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looking at it and you know giving me

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pointers there too so

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um yeah so you know how it goes we're

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play the intro come back and have a chat

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with linda

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uh yeah i just wanted to put this

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comment up here

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spaghetti is so funny

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what did i miss yesterday uh let me

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recap it for you

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no hello to everybody trisha roberts

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spaghetti uh jos megan jason uap

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experiencers

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roger that barry roscoe

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case for infinity awesome to see you

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here um and yeah so without further

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ado we have miss

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linda thompson how are you

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i'm fine how are you

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um and adrian sorry forgot that one

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you know what what would be good to

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discuss what you suggested was um kind

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of the role of an experiencer

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researcher as you know you know i like

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to do a lot of research um and i'm an

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you know i guess there's different

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levels of both researchers and

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you know we're both different in an

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aspect but alike and that we both do

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those things and have had those

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experiences so

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when you're doing your research

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do you find that people

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find you credible because of your

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is yeah um being an experiencer it's

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how can you be objective and

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there's other factors involved obviously

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started in ufo twitter and i was doing

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the ufo and military research and it was

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the woman thing where

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you know i wasn't really accepted as a

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researcher in either area

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i'm careful in relating myself to you

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because you've had

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um your experiences have been so much

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more intense and i don't want to come

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off like um you know i'm

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you know what i mean i don't want to

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disrespect you in any way

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because um you've had very intense

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experiences and you've done so much more

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research than me

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similar feelings you know

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find something pretty good that maybe

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not a whole lot of people have seen

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um sometimes it just seems to go over

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everyone's heads or and i'm not sure if

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it's because they don't care or maybe

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they know already

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or maybe it's because i'm an experiencer

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work with that personally how do you get

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there's different factors

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that is its own

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can of worms itself

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there's a lot of people that believe

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that everything that's going to cia

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is propaganda false made up

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then you battle with that

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now there are a lot of documents on the

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ca cia site

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are just there as information i mean cia

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newspaper articles magazine articles

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that type of thing so it's not like they

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issued it or they approved it

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and then of course you have the nj 12

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you have half of the researchers saying

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all of that is fake

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then you have the other half saying no

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um it can be difficult

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i know for instance i researched tape

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of 1941.

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that that was a landmark case

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that was going to help set up what

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in months and months of research

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it was all hearsay and rumor

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the story was based on false dates

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and so that's what i wrote my report

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and you're talking about cape girado

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debunking

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um you almost think that people should

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take that even more seriously

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personally like uh wanting to

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find evidence for something in

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particular because it will validate you

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in any way

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not really because

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on one level

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i know no matter what you bring forth

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it's not going to matter to the hardcore

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people that want it to go one way

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and that's on either end whether you're

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physicals physical ufo person or whether

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just into the experiencer realm

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my family

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had all of this going on i mean my

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father even in the military

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project blue book um

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are nowhere to be found i mean i've

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the nrv blue book

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case

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thing that i can find and they're not

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i was physically on location on one of

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those with air force people

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so i know it was loud

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wow so

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that kind of thing yeah i do have a

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personal interest in

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now i thought there was

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actually it was it was a it was a letter

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that i had read um

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a cia letter with uh robert lowe in it i

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um i don't know if there was anything to

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kehoe making off with any of the the ufo

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files

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do you know anything about that by

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chance or is that a usual kind of rumor

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there's so many rumors and then

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in these

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cases that just drive me nuts um

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but i mean a lot of those people that

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were involved with blue book and of that

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if they were

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afterwards they came out and said

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it's just a bigness i mean you know i'm

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you know it's funny that we're talking

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about blue book because i just started

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i just really like found the whole batch

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of blue book stuff on the archives or

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like the sighting sheets

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where they just list them all off right

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and here i'll just bring one up if you

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don't mind just so i can use it as an

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example

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um

300
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i've got some case stuff i'm sure i

301
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just like yeah so like this it's i don't

302
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know if you can see that or not but

303
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but

304
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you know

305
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you look at it and everything is

306
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um astro unidentified other

307
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bird

308
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insufficient data

309
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so i guess

310
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oh so it's a newspaper case missing just

311
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as you said

312
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case missing case missing

313
00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:56,560
now what does that mean when it says

314
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conveniently lost

315
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probably

316
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yeah right

317
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it's just interesting but they have all

318
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these and they obviously looked into

319
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every one of them or at least a little

320
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bit

321
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yeah i was gonna say probably just a

322
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little bit

323
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i mean there are 701 cases that could

324
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not be solved

325
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well

326
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that's a lot

327
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a lot of those were citing by scientists

328
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by police by generals

329
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i mean even wright

330
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patterson air force base scientists had

331
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a sighting that was listening

332
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you know

333
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you have all these credible people just

334
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like today and

335
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they're not taken seriously

336
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i think the air force is just

337
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so dead set against anything to do with

338
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this

339
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i mean i was just looking on

340
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the air force site

341
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to see if they had like listings for

342
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their foia

343
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reading room

344
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i mean the navy does

345
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um

346
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no they don't

347
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um a lot of the air force faces that had

348
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that no longer have it like langley

349
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used to have it where you could go into

350
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the archives and search

351
00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:33,440
not anymore

352
00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:35,440
it's like the air force just does its

353
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:37,360
own thing

354
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regardless of what anybody else does

355
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interesting

356
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,199
i wonder how that came to be it must

357
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:47,279
that pattern must have started somewhere

358
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maybe it was with the ufos

359
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,079
probably

360
00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:54,639
yeah

361
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um

362
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:57,519
yeah the air force

363
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:00,639
i that's like i've done a foia with the

364
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,560
air force

365
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:04,800
and

366
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:10,959
or identified or phenomenon all that

367
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:12,160
stuff

368
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:13,040
um

369
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,399
and it's been

370
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:17,040
months and they haven't given me one

371
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:18,959
updater

372
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,600
or anything it's just sitting there

373
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:23,680
you should request it

374
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,240
um there's a particular

375
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,279
site and way to do it that is pretty

376
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,680
fast on some documents so i'll have to

377
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:32,800
show you that

378
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:34,000
okay

379
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:34,800
yeah

380
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,160
in the foia stuff

381
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,160
i guess because you have to maybe be

382
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:42,639
more specific and

383
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:45,519
i'm typically more general and

384
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:48,839
overview kind of researcher i guess

385
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:51,920
but well

386
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:55,279
like i said i i accidentally found a way

387
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:58,399
to get documents from the air force that

388
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,440
yeah

389
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:01,199
and i would

390
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:02,560
yeah

391
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,079
just like i accidentally went from

392
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,640
bell this is like years ago this is

393
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,799
2014.

394
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:12,959
i accidentally

395
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:18,640
found a back door from the cia to apple

396
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,520
and

397
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:21,919
i reported it to apple

398
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,880
and i got a computer as a reward

399
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,160
wow

400
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,760
yeah

401
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:29,679
so that's cool

402
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,120
so you know

403
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:35,440
interesting

404
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,240
so are you a computer whiz as well or

405
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,000
what's it

406
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,760
i used to be

407
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,120
i tried to

408
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,360
essie the problem was all my friends

409
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,000
were like here and saw this computer

410
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:50,960
here set this up and i was like

411
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,280
you know it was all his favors and it's

412
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,760
like okay the first

413
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,000
but then i called on when they said oh

414
00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,160
let's go to dinner together and they'd

415
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:02,000
have a computer sitting there waiting

416
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:08,070
work on it

417
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:10,000
can you just be honest and tell me you

418
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,840
need help with your computer

419
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,880
right yeah

420
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,720
um now you've

421
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,400
i know for instance you put a lot of

422
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:19,760
work into

423
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:24,070
the memory metal

424
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:24,880
yes

425
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:27,280
the memory metal case no

426
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:28,400
and

427
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,390
so what what is the story there did

428
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,280
like uh roswell um some metal was

429
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,520
recovered it went to bethel and they

430
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,360
like kind of worked on it and got it out

431
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:44,960
into the public

432
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:47,120
or

433
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,960
it officially came through the naval lab

434
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:52,960
now the thing is

435
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,640
there were scientists at battelle

436
00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,600
that were working on the side for the

437
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,400
navy and patel didn't know it at the

438
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:04,080
time

439
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,440
and so

440
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,549
it's definitely not a clear-cut

441
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:13,280
documented case but everybody who

442
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:14,799
researches in it

443
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:17,760
believes that that was the case with

444
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:18,640
that

445
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,520
because it was with other things

446
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,640
but okay so that memory metal

447
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,840
today

448
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,559
has been used to advance some of the

449
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:30,880
medical procedures

450
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:34,720
like they use they use it in heart stent

451
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:39,760
um i think it's also used on braces

452
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:41,200
and so

453
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,280
and like titanium that was the same way

454
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,080
that was developed by patel

455
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:50,720
okay so that's used in a lot of medical

456
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,160
things today as well as the

457
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,720
you know planes and all of that

458
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,160
wow

459
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:00,080
in

460
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:04,559
came from

461
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,520
uh roswell you think or no that is that

462
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:09,280
is the allegation

463
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,159
okay

464
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,760
gotcha

465
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:13,520
interesting

466
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,320
know we talk so much about crashes or

467
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,400
recovered material when

468
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,400
if that's the case

469
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,919
it you know and

470
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,039
we'd feel kind of silly

471
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:29,600
don't you think it's like

472
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,050
it's there that whole time

473
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:32,880
[Laughter]

474
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,760
yeah and you have to keep in mind

475
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,280
mattel

476
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:40,320
is a non-profit

477
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,760
purity defense contractor

478
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,159
you know they do medical research they

479
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,440
do aerospace stuff but they are

480
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,440
a charity

481
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:53,520
and the way it was set up

482
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,400
and

483
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,120
you know surprisingly they were never

484
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,320
made to separate out their

485
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,799
research through separate from their

486
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,280
development

487
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:07,440
so they're the only charity defense

488
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:10,640
contractor there is

489
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,320
interesting a charity defense contractor

490
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,039
so i could give them a donation huh

491
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,350
well

492
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:23,600
i wonder what the benefits are

493
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,799
well and if you go beyond that besides

494
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:29,600
having stuff all over the world

495
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,600
they also have an offshore

496
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,720
um

497
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:37,440
laundering company

498
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,440
or um it's a fun company

499
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,720
and i found that out big and deep in the

500
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,400
u.s

501
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,919
federal

502
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,679
budget papers

503
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,840
wow

504
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,919
and that's uh battelle

505
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,799
yes

506
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,320
wow

507
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,799
what is that for

508
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,679
oh but all these major companies spend

509
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,520
their money through it like proctor and

510
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,080
gamble and other companies

511
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,120
oh wow holy cow oh yeah

512
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,200
so all this stuff you can get really

513
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,480
deep into

514
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,840
yeah

515
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:15,600
it seems like that was the thing with

516
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,840
patel is that i had so many pockets

517
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,159
of trouble

518
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,960
it was like i could stay focused

519
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:26,720
yeah

520
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,880
get distracted at finding you know

521
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,840
uh

522
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,320
yeah some bait somewhere here there and

523
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,799
you know a couple weeks go by

524
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,960
and you may come up empty

525
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,159
and

526
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,360
you know what you would have stayed

527
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,919
focused or or but though vice versa i

528
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,640
hear that sometimes you know those are

529
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,840
the

530
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,400
something

531
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:51,440
right

532
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,480
yeah

533
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,280
so

534
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,440
yeah it's got to be hard to decide how

535
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,240
you make those decisions i guess

536
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,080
um

537
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:02,400
what has been

538
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:06,320
like the best or most rewarding find

539
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,149
that's hard to

540
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:17,840
be fun

541
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,440
i guess the most exciting part for me

542
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:23,360
last year

543
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:28,000
was finding the tell as

544
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,390
places

545
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,720
that could be

546
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:39,039
overseeing

547
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,039
not only the bodies but the crash

548
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:47,990
they are

549
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,080
closely tied to wright patterson

550
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,840
and in the general vicinity

551
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:56,720
and

552
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,200
they manage most of the national labs

553
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,360
they have

554
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,440
things going on at most of the proving

555
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,679
grounds

556
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:09,600
white sands and everything

557
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,440
they managed the uh fort dietrich

558
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,760
chemical lab

559
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,039
um

560
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,720
and so they're just everywhere

561
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,000
um so

562
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,080
they have plenty of places to hide

563
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,039
things if they can hide them

564
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,549
no if they're not for profit

565
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:35,039
do you how do you think it benefits them

566
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,240
to

567
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,320
hide it

568
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,679
you know well

569
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,320
just to keep it secure

570
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,880
whether it's on behalf of the government

571
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,400
or not

572
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,159
yeah

573
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:49,840
the big salaries i'm sure they have

574
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,130
though

575
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,360
[Laughter]

576
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,360
yeah we don't get any profit we just pay

577
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,919
ourselves a lot

578
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,240
yeah kind of like insurance companies

579
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,400
yeah

580
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,080
right

581
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,149
so

582
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,520
do you think

583
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,919
are you someone who who believes there's

584
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:12,880
um

585
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,279
or maybe knows that there's some sort of

586
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,200
um group that

587
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,159
uh hides all this stuff like a like a

588
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,360
zodiac per se or a watch committee or

589
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,279
you know a collins elite or whatever you

590
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,200
want to call it

591
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,720
i mean all of that information is out

592
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:31,600
there

593
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:32,640
no

594
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,080
official documentation on it per se

595
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:41,120
there is one document that

596
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:46,000
i believe if any mj document is real

597
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,320
it is the one that pertains to a group

598
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:53,760
that was established by truman

599
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:57,039
and it was 12 people

600
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,320
and

601
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,919
so

602
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:03,039
i believe yeah i believe that that

603
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,960
document if any document is real

604
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:09,360
but as far as today

605
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,310
yeah

606
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
i do believe pissinger is involved and

607
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,279
i've believed that for a long time

608
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:21,600
interesting that you say that i've seen

609
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,679
that a couple times in my research and i

610
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,520
didn't know enough to make anything of

611
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,000
it but i remembered it

612
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:32,960
um yeah very interesting

613
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,400
um i thought this was a good question

614
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:38,799
yeah but tell

615
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,919
on some of their documents that were

616
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,279
released during wikileaks

617
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,360
there were some interesting things that

618
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:49,200
came out on those

619
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,120
and one code word that kept showing up

620
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:55,520
was kissinger

621
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,190
no i've never had a cosmic clearance i

622
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,520
don't know who came up with that

623
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,400
no i did not yeah

624
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,720
but i was like if that's true we gotta

625
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,669
yeah i know

626
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,520
and so

627
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,480
yeah

628
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:21,279
okay um

629
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
so

630
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,240
what do you think

631
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:25,600
i'm sorry if i missed this but what do

632
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,080
you think kissinger's role um really is

633
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,159
you do you think he's a part or was a

634
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,440
part of

635
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,919
you know developing secrets around this

636
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,399
stuff or organizat organization of a

637
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,679
group or

638
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,360
something i believe

639
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,320
i believe he was on a group

640
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:47,840
whether it was in j-12 or whatever and

641
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,919
who knows that may be another factor why

642
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:53,840
they're not going to release the kennedy

643
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,870
he was involved in so much

644
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,320
and so

645
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,080
you know and of course you have to

646
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,279
realize okay he worked with nixon and of

647
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,799
course nixon's

648
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,799
into all of this

649
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,559
so it was

650
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,320
you say of course like i would know that

651
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,950
yeah

652
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,880
and um

653
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,520
the state department also

654
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,200
gets a lot of

655
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,080
reports of ufos over the years and

656
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,000
things related to it

657
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:39,120
you can look on their archives and find

658
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,000
that

659
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:42,799
and so he would have been involved in

660
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,640
various things related to it

661
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,320
you know that's another thing

662
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,679
that i've seen pop up like nixon out of

663
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,679
nowhere like or a nixon presidential

664
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,760
library or something when i'm searching

665
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,919
for something that has no reason to put

666
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,590
yeah

667
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,320
and the thing is with a lot of libraries

668
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,360
it's it tells you the box number

669
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,200
so if you're not gonna go there like

670
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:12,000
grant cameron did you're not gonna see

671
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,880
stuff

672
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,360
right um and that's the discouraging

673
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,440
thing too when you find out like a

674
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,919
university has

675
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,399
ufo files you know whether it's from a

676
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,480
researcher or what

677
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:25,760
that's the same thing you're going to

678
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,720
get a shelf number a box number

679
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,919
and so

680
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,559
you know unless you can travel around to

681
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,880
these places right

682
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,760
that's difficult and of course last year

683
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,960
there was one place i wanted to go

684
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,440
because of that and

685
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,520
of course he couldn't because most of

686
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,600
the libraries were closed

687
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,399
due to chosen

688
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,159
interesting

689
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:53,279
i

690
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,640
uh james mcdonald

691
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,159
and

692
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,840
i found that all of his real stuff is at

693
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,640
uh

694
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,640
tucson

695
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,039
and like you know i read what what he

696
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,320
had on uh

697
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,240
what's posted on tucson's site or

698
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,760
princeton site but

699
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,080
um there's a whole lot more and i want

700
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,880
to look at it so bad

701
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,799
you know but that might be worth a trip

702
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,559
for me you know

703
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:24,799
yeah see i have

704
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,520
an issue with all these places having

705
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,760
evolved

706
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:32,080
most of them are government-funded to

707
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,520
begin with

708
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,480
some of them are private-funded colleges

709
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,240
but at any point in time they could

710
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,360
decide

711
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,279
to do whatever they want with those

712
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,320
files

713
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,120
i mean even though they're in trust

714
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,640
i have wanted a institute for this

715
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,279
research to be independent but of course

716
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,640
you've got to

717
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,720
have somebody like rockefeller or

718
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,720
something come forward and give the

719
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,679
money

720
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,320
right right we got to find somebody

721
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,320
to pay us money

722
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,799
to take trips to all these places and

723
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,320
get what we can

724
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,919
while we can

725
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,799
yeah

726
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:09,919
you know

727
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,840
copies and stuff yeah yeah i know shoot

728
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:16,720
yeah we need we need to find a

729
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,640
um a sugar daddy or mama

730
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,919
yeah

731
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:22,960
i don't

732
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,360
give that money for it

733
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,480
yeah yeah

734
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:30,960
that's a good point do you think um uh

735
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,399
bass or bigelow has a lot of their own

736
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,640
data in documents that

737
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,720
uh possibly they should be sharing with

738
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,640
the public

739
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:42,799
i would say yes of course they're gonna

740
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,000
decide that it's confidential or under

741
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,720
ndas or who knows what

742
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:50,880
i mean that's got plenty of factories

743
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,320
and places to store stuff so that's not

744
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:55,919
an issue

745
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:59,200
you know they're under their security

746
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,559
but it's like okay you know eric

747
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,760
weinstein

748
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,000
um saying you know well the scientists

749
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,159
should have all this stuff we need it we

750
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,279
need to research it we need to review it

751
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,679
you know and i sent the comment back

752
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:15,039
well

753
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,240
if

754
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,480
it's in the hands of the national labs

755
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,880
and defense contractors

756
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,399
mostly

757
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,519
and if the scientists don't get together

758
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,880
and

759
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,840
make the congress do something about it

760
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,519
it's not gonna happen

761
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,600
right

762
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,200
yeah so you think it has to be the

763
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,200
scientists really

764
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,679
like uh but you know our big scientists

765
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,399
like neil negras tyson

766
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,919
he ain't gonna do that

767
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,000
but

768
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,440
you know in your

769
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,360
history with the subject you know

770
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,840
staying on scientists

771
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,000
have you noticed

772
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,200
was there any time throughout ufology or

773
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,640
ufo history

774
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,120
where there was a solid

775
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,919
scientific uh research

776
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,919
program into this stuff that was at

777
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,480
least public somewhat

778
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,200
not public yeah

779
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,519
there were things related to it at some

780
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,840
of the universities that were under

781
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,919
classified

782
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,039
um

783
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,279
i mean there's

784
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,480
in the beginning with the dod records

785
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,360
things like that cia records

786
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,240
it had like mip and different

787
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:32,640
institutions on it but

788
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:36,399
it was under classified programs so

789
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:42,310
so we lose so much

790
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:49,830
how much does the government really know

791
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,960
about this stuff

792
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,679
i think they know enough to know that

793
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,960
they cannot control what's going on

794
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,679
and they can't do anything about it

795
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,840
and so

796
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,600
um

797
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,320
yeah whether it goes further

798
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,240
i believe it does

799
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:13,280
because there's too many instances

800
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,320
where

801
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,159
swat teams

802
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,919
special forces

803
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,879
have gone out to particular locations

804
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,000
they have a

805
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,869
process

806
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,520
that they use for different things

807
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,320
they wouldn't do that if they didn't

808
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,119
have this come up often

809
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,040
right

810
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,560
yeah i mean that's one thing i always

811
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,800
think about and you know robert covert

812
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,480
here has brought up to me before it's

813
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,480
like you know all these sightings or

814
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,560
crashes or whatever it's if there's

815
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:48,960
nothing to it why do they put so much

816
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,119
dang effort into investigating each one

817
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:55,760
you know if it every time it's a balloon

818
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,839
or a or a meteor or a hoax like

819
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,680
why do they put

820
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,720
all these osi districts on this and all

821
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,920
these different

822
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,680
you know captains in the air force and

823
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,200
all that and

824
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,320
you know

825
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,720
even lab tests on some of this stuff

826
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,200
they sent it into a lab like

827
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:16,960
why would they do that if they don't

828
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,839
think there's anything going on at all

829
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,640
you know if it's just laughable

830
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,680
right

831
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:25,119
you know

832
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:28,839
i mean there's been plenty of

833
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,560
evidence experiences by objectives by

834
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:35,680
research people by investigators

835
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,119
by the military by the government and

836
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:41,200
it all ends up

837
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,790
so

838
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,680
you know that doesn't just accidentally

839
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,440
happen

840
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,119
so what do you think

841
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,119
what can we do about that what can we

842
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,359
honestly do as you know either an

843
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,760
experiencer or a researcher

844
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:02,800
to you know help more information get

845
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,750
well okay i worked with a researcher for

846
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,520
several years

847
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,839
on my private

848
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,040
incident

849
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,000
as well as helping them

850
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,480
with writing and as an international

851
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,480
speaker

852
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,320
okay so

853
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,800
but what i found

854
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,599
is that the evidence you turn over to

855
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,640
people

856
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:32,560
you don't

857
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:36,400
always get a clear answer or

858
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,510
you you might see it later

859
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,119
like in a video

860
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:47,520
there's a video being made that uses

861
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,680
some of my photos of body parts

862
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,200
okay another

863
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,960
another mine

864
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:57,440
because i i have the phone wait your

865
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:04,150
my photos of my body part okay gotcha

866
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,960
both

867
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,160
understood

868
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,800
okay well i know they're mine because i

869
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,359
have the photos i wasn't sure if you

870
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,599
meant like alien body parts or something

871
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,750
and so

872
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,520
but also

873
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,280
most of the time if you send something

874
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,480
to the lab

875
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:25,359
through a lab

876
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,240
like

877
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,800
okay whitley streepers had this i've had

878
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,280
this other people have had this do you

879
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,480
send an implant to a lab

880
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,960
more likely you're not going to get an

881
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:38,400
answer

882
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,280
if

883
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,960
you're not going to get a copy of the

884
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,560
lab report

885
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,480
and if you ask for it back you're not

886
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,920
going to get it back

887
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,079
it's going to be lost

888
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,680
and so i've

889
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,240
i've just come to where i'm not sending

890
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,400
anything to anybody

891
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,320
unless

892
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,760
see i have one implant

893
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,440
in my possession

894
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,920
i'm not giving it to anybody i've shown

895
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,920
people photos of it but i'm not giving

896
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,359
it to anybody

897
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,560
now if i have another implant that comes

898
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,520
out

899
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,480
i am going to get back to class

900
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,680
because i

901
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,400
i want to hold on to something

902
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,839
you know it's very easy to say

903
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,119
i had implant removed or whatever i know

904
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,880
it's very easy to say

905
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,960
but

906
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:30,839
if you don't have

907
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,880
it then it's nothing you know

908
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,990
uh

909
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,240
how does it just does it just naturally

910
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,640
came out

911
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,640
yes it i

912
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:47,680
was having trouble with my nose

913
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,680
and i sneezed and when i sneezed it came

914
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,520
out in the tissue

915
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:55,280
it's nice

916
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:56,079
i

917
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,720
huh

918
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,000
and i picked it up and it was there

919
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,079
so i think i'm going to have another one

920
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,680
the same way

921
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,920
and so that one is going to go to the

922
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,560
left

923
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,800
you just like uh intuition is telling

924
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,520
you that or i started feel it

925
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:22,000
i started having problems last week the

926
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,440
same way

927
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,960
and so

928
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,680
it's a matter of time

929
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,160
and see what they do

930
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,640
if they go okay for the ones that are up

931
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,400
in your nostril

932
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,320
they put it up there because that's one

933
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,960
way to get near your brain

934
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,000
okay

935
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,880
and even some surgeons today use a

936
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,880
similar technique

937
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,240
um

938
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,200
and so you know i showed the doctors the

939
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,920
photo of it and said is this any chance

940
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,599
anything that i've gotten through a

941
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,560
surgery or whatever and they're like no

942
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,599
we've never seen anything like that

943
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,480
so

944
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:02,079
um

945
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,589
i have a

946
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,599
big scar up here

947
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,560
from

948
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,520
one that was removed years ago

949
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,280
wow

950
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,160
and are they just like um like metal

951
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,599
little metal pieces or fragments the lab

952
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,040
the lab could not identify it

953
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,520
couldn't identify it at all

954
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:29,520
and the doctor told me when it took it

955
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,119
out that it was encapsulated

956
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,640
it hadn't seen anything like it before

957
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,200
but now i understand

958
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,280
is what happens a lot

959
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,520
of course if it was now

960
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,200
i would have known

961
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,880
to do it different than i did back then

962
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,560
yeah because i didn't know anything

963
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,040
about implants i didn't know anything my

964
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,280
family has a lot of cancer i was just

965
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,280
happy it wasn't cancer that's all i

966
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,480
cared about

967
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,280
yeah okay but now they're also saying

968
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,839
not to remove implants

969
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,640
really because they attach into the

970
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,880
nerves and so then they affect your

971
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,640
neurosystem

972
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,800
oh wow

973
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,800
so are you noticing

974
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,720
is that kind of the issues you're

975
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:18,720
experiencing possibly

976
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,319
um ever since the big incident that i

977
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,359
had i've had a lot of neurological

978
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,000
yeah different body things

979
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,680
yeah

980
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,280
that was um

981
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,599
do you not want to go into that

982
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,960
it's up to you

983
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:37,280
i was gonna ask you when it was but

984
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,319
yeah

985
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,280
um

986
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,960
right now it probably would take up too

987
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,960
much time

988
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,240
i understand

989
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,720
we had all this stuff going on with my

990
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,280
family the whole time but

991
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:51,440
we didn't grow up with

992
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:55,040
science fiction or movies about

993
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:56,480
any of this

994
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,920
you know i was clueless until

995
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,599
you know i was watching i don't know

996
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,599
whether it's ancient aliens or whatever

997
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,560
and they were talking about every time

998
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,680
it planted something and i was like

999
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:11,119
huh

1000
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,319
you know

1001
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:14,240
yeah

1002
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,119
wow

1003
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,960
yeah how

1004
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,960
how were you raised were you raised um

1005
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,079
like in a

1006
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,960
like catholic or anything like that or

1007
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,599
not catholic i was raised

1008
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,359
in a baptist church um but

1009
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,200
you know

1010
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,119
i wouldn't say it was hardcore or

1011
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:36,400
anything like that um yeah

1012
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:37,359
so

1013
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,720
you know in fact the preacher

1014
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,319
he was one of these that never talked

1015
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,119
about the holy spirit of the holy ghost

1016
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,359
and so like when i was married the first

1017
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,760
time and that preacher was marrying from

1018
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,079
another church was marrying us

1019
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,960
and you know the ring ceremony he went

1020
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,839
you know father son and the holy ghost

1021
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,040
and i'm like

1022
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,800
wait a minute

1023
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,960
what do you mean holy ghost what is the

1024
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,920
holy ghost yeah how's that possible

1025
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,720
yeah

1026
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,720
what is this i don't know what you're

1027
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:13,040
doing with the holy ghost you know

1028
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,160
as well

1029
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,440
i mean it obviously it wasn't a very

1030
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,240
bible or religious church that i grew up

1031
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,880
in you know not to know that

1032
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,720
right right right yeah

1033
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,119
no i mean i grew up uh you know

1034
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,760
non-denominational christian or whatever

1035
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,680
i've noticed a lot of people who have

1036
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,040
experiences

1037
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,440
have some sort of you know religious or

1038
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,000
spiritual upbringing

1039
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,800
uh well i'll tell you that my

1040
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,000
um this is called the camp i can never

1041
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,280
get to work right santolini

1042
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,359
you know there's a thing

1043
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,520
when you're opened up and it's your back

1044
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,640
being

1045
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,720
uh know either

1046
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,599
okay well that happened to me in a

1047
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:00,240
non-denominator

1048
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:04,000
and it was very noticeable when it

1049
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,960
happened

1050
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,240
and so

1051
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:08,160
but yeah

1052
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,200
so

1053
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,200
interesting do you think it's the the

1054
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,760
church or just like the practice of what

1055
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,000
it is you're doing

1056
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,119
i was in pondolini thank you julie

1057
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:20,960
um

1058
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,560
i would stick into prayer and meditation

1059
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,069
oh yeah

1060
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,800
yeah prayer meditation i've i've i feel

1061
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,760
you there

1062
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:34,240
i still practice both of those

1063
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,119
right

1064
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,480
yeah

1065
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:37,920
sometimes i'm not sure who i'm talking

1066
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,510
but i do it anyways yeah

1067
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,560
um

1068
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,680
now

1069
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,359
we talked a lot about the research but

1070
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,040
um

1071
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,960
what do you think

1072
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:53,359
you know your or mine or

1073
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,119
the role of an experiencer is right now

1074
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,760
in ufology you know it still seems for

1075
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:01,040
the most part

1076
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,000
um

1077
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,800
you know that the disclosure push wants

1078
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,520
to

1079
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,160
you know put that in the corner because

1080
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:10,720
they think it'll scare people away

1081
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,640
um now for instance i think that um

1082
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,359
you know that's kind of uh

1083
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:19,599
deceptive

1084
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,359
and i don't think that's the way to do

1085
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,680
things um you can't hide something

1086
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,240
that's that exists and is a part of it

1087
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,319
um and to assume people are are too

1088
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,560
stupid to know that that exists is kind

1089
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:34,240
of naive as well

1090
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,440
um

1091
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,470
okay

1092
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,520
there's two distinct

1093
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:46,880
groups that we all know um there's a

1094
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,960
group that is pushing for disclosure of

1095
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,000
the

1096
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,520
craft

1097
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,839
um how is everything you know about the

1098
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:57,200
craft

1099
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,160
um

1100
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,040
they don't really seem to

1101
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,280
want to deal with whether there is

1102
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,000
anything in the craft or not

1103
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,880
they definitely do not want to deal with

1104
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,240
the question of whether the crafts are

1105
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:13,920
living

1106
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,040
can transform

1107
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,880
then you have the other side which is

1108
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,839
you know the abductees experiencers

1109
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,640
contact piece

1110
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,560
and so

1111
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,200
but never the twain shouldn't it says

1112
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:32,720
cross you know

1113
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,160
and it gets kind of hostile

1114
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,480
okay i don't mind people

1115
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,440
questioning asking questions

1116
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:43,359
but i think that there should be an

1117
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,880
atmosphere of respect

1118
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,880
and you know

1119
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,040
the whole we talk about this with the

1120
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:52,640
news people

1121
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,839
about when they bring up ufos or uat and

1122
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,319
they start smirking and

1123
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,680
laughing well the same thing happens

1124
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,480
with

1125
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,760
the disclosure schemes yeah it does you

1126
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,560
know

1127
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,920
and so

1128
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:09,599
you know if you want to have a

1129
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:14,079
conversation you have to be respectful

1130
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,280
and

1131
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,480
ask the questions in a proper way

1132
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,599
you know don't expect and then give us

1133
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,000
time to respond

1134
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,440
you know

1135
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:26,240
and

1136
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,920
it can all

1137
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:33,520
go ahead sorry

1138
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,640
it can also exist

1139
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:39,280
we can learn more from each other

1140
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,680
if we would be open to communicating

1141
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,760
respectfully

1142
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,119
right

1143
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,720
how do we make something like that

1144
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,680
happen do you think

1145
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,240
well there's some groups that are doing

1146
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,240
it um obviously the experiencer group is

1147
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,559
involved with that

1148
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,680
um

1149
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,319
they were very good because they had

1150
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,720
the representative from john mack

1151
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:08,319
institute

1152
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,200
um

1153
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:12,079
who was talking about this

1154
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:15,920
um so that was good talk

1155
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:20,319
it's a question in answer by both sides

1156
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,280
right

1157
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,720
you can't be

1158
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,640
having

1159
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,480
somebody presenting

1160
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,040
a presentation

1161
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,280
or talking about something and

1162
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:32,880
constantly

1163
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:36,319
interrupt them with smirks and

1164
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,240
you know

1165
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,720
confrontations and stuff then expect to

1166
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:43,280
have a conversation

1167
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,480
yeah

1168
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:47,200
well i mean like in my post yesterday

1169
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,640
about you was

1170
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,920
um

1171
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,599
you know i was just looking in a chat

1172
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,559
room

1173
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,559
or watching a video looking in the chat

1174
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,359
room

1175
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,119
and

1176
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,040
you know discussion of experiencers in

1177
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,440
general is was happening in there

1178
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,800
and

1179
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,680
it's a normal ufo show or whatever

1180
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,520
and it was

1181
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,119
it was bad

1182
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,800
it was like

1183
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,200
oh my god

1184
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,800
yeah i can't believe this is how people

1185
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,480
talk about this

1186
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,480
and meanwhile there has to be

1187
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:22,559
experiencers in there

1188
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:25,839
as well you know just like

1189
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,200
watching a ufo show and simultaneously

1190
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,680
being degraded while they do it

1191
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,359
um

1192
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,119
and i i just

1193
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,760
i saw you there and i think maybe you

1194
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,599
picked one out or something and we're

1195
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,640
just

1196
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:41,920
trying to be

1197
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,520
the soft-spoken voice and um

1198
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,440
you know not being mean or anything and

1199
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,200
just answering

1200
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,280
a question respectfully while other

1201
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,440
people were doing it in a very

1202
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,800
um

1203
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,720
terrible way you know to make people

1204
00:50:03,030 --> 00:49:58,880
feel bad obviously

1205
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,040
um that was very confusing to me because

1206
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,319
yeah everybody was slamming experiencers

1207
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,720
but then some of them i mean it was

1208
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,160
quite a few

1209
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,559
they were like well robert salas is to

1210
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:16,480
blame for all of this and i'm like what

1211
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,839
what this phone happened to do with

1212
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:22,319
nuclear weapons

1213
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,520
and that issue has to do with

1214
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,640
experiencers and what y'all are talking

1215
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
about now

1216
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,319
yeah

1217
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,520
it's like

1218
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,440
irrational

1219
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,720
thinking

1220
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,839
yeah as far as i'm concerned

1221
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:40,720
i

1222
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,920
what that could even mean

1223
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,400
or why who could put that together in

1224
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,559
any sort of comprehensible way

1225
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:55,839
um you know he was at a he was at a base

1226
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,520
uh ufos came by and communications were

1227
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,119
shut down they couldn't

1228
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,240
do anything with the missiles

1229
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,880
because of these things like and he's

1230
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,880
not told what they are nobody knows what

1231
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,079
they are like

1232
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,440
uh

1233
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,599
and he's damned upset that nobody takes

1234
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,440
them seriously which he

1235
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,040
very well should be

1236
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,160
um it's it's pretty

1237
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,240
you know to me it is borderline and

1238
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,119
forgivable unforgivable you know

1239
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,359
it gets to a point where um

1240
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,440
you know how much can you put people

1241
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,559
through

1242
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:31,680
that

1243
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,920
put their lives on the line for the

1244
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,400
country and donate their life

1245
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,440
you know

1246
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,280
um because they trust in the government

1247
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:44,240
and want to fight for it in our country

1248
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:45,200
and

1249
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,000
there's so many other kinds of instances

1250
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,720
even non-ufo related where that happens

1251
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,839
but

1252
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,599
this as well

1253
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,440
and it's like how many times can this

1254
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,400
happen

1255
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,760
to where

1256
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,760
you know we

1257
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,520
we don't do anything about it you know

1258
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,800
we don't

1259
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,760
ask for more respect here you know as as

1260
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,040
we're paying

1261
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,240
you know

1262
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,280
like

1263
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:19,440
a lot of us you know almost half our

1264
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,319
checks

1265
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,680
disappear

1266
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,280
and go to the government

1267
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,520
you know and meanwhile

1268
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,599
you know and we're trying to pay rent or

1269
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,240
buy food or take care of a bill or a or

1270
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,040
a hospital bill or whatever or a

1271
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,640
mortgage

1272
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,319
and

1273
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,720
you know they just

1274
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,960
they they don't even try

1275
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,760
sometimes seemingly to earn it

1276
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,440
you know

1277
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,559
and

1278
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,520
i mean

1279
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:50,160
and the ufo case is one of them like

1280
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,359
let's say

1281
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,319
now you know experiencers know better

1282
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,280
because

1283
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,599
you know for reasons that should be

1284
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,559
obvious i guess but like that there's

1285
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:03,359
something going on i mean

1286
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,640
um but let's say it was all crap

1287
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:09,040
right and none of it was real and they

1288
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,160
knew that

1289
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,280
and they let it go 80 years

1290
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,520
without saying a goddamn thing about it

1291
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,200
and just let people

1292
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,839
believe this and fight about it and

1293
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,640
all that kind of stuff you know and

1294
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,040
vice versa

1295
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,319
which is uh the truth here

1296
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:29,680
you know

1297
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,559
all these experiences that leave people

1298
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,400
um

1299
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,800
and sometimes dire straits of just pure

1300
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,599
confusion and at a loss

1301
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,520
with what's happened

1302
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:43,839
battling between their mind of

1303
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,440
if there's insane or sane

1304
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,559
you know when

1305
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:50,319
that is just

1306
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,870
because um you know

1307
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,319
you shouldn't have to have that inner

1308
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,200
fight with yourself when something

1309
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,200
just kind of obvious happens to you you

1310
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,720
know

1311
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,200
and meanwhile the government

1312
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,520
doesn't do a damn thing to help you you

1313
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,480
know

1314
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,480
not a damn thing and we have people

1315
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,800
making phone calls

1316
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,800
i make phone calls we get 1500

1317
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,200
signatures on something and i'm sorry

1318
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,720
but it's just not going to do anything

1319
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,160
you know we need something a little

1320
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,079
stronger and a little faster and a

1321
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,319
little more powerful you know and i

1322
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,000
don't know what that is

1323
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,240
um because we shouldn't need something

1324
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,760
like that

1325
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,720
but

1326
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:36,880
yet we do um

1327
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:40,720
so sorry that was a little rant but

1328
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:44,400
no i mean i understand

1329
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,240
i mean when highneck came out and

1330
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:50,960
was coming more public with

1331
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:54,640
towards the reality of all of this

1332
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,480
my father he was doing some radio shows

1333
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,920
and so

1334
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,520
my father who

1335
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,040
never came home

1336
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,680
at lunch or anything else like that

1337
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,440
he would come home

1338
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,640
every day for once when hi nick was

1339
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,119
going to be on the radio show

1340
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,599
and he would say he's going to tell him

1341
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:17,200
the truth he's going to tell him the

1342
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,200
truth and of course he never was able to

1343
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,760
come out and make a move

1344
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:24,960
yeah

1345
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,760
is that how you feel about um

1346
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,480
the people that are kind of

1347
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,799
in that role more or less

1348
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,079
you know obviously they're different

1349
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,839
people different times different stuff

1350
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,880
different

1351
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,200
prerogatives but you know

1352
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,440
it seems like um

1353
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,119
there's always been someone in the

1354
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,400
spotlight as far as ufos go and

1355
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,200
you know talking to the public

1356
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,359
and after a person like hindick you may

1357
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,680
think that it's on purpose to placate

1358
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,880
everybody

1359
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,720
um

1360
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,000
do you think that's what's happening

1361
00:56:03,750 --> 00:55:59,599
here do you think there's some honesty

1362
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,760
or some difference than times past

1363
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,079
this is very complicated situation and

1364
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,520
you don't have to answer either if you

1365
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,520
don't want to

1366
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,480
so i will just say

1367
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:14,880
i'll just say there's at least three

1368
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,200
ring circus going on

1369
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:18,640
um

1370
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:21,760
lou and chris i believe that they're

1371
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:26,950
as

1372
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:32,079
but there's other people involved in

1373
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,200
this

1374
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,280
and so

1375
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,599
for instance with the

1376
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:40,960
skin walker in the pentagon

1377
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,880
okay that really upset a lot of people

1378
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,240
that were

1379
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,520
physical

1380
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,000
ufo people

1381
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,160
because it talked about all the

1382
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:53,839
paranormal

1383
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,119
things and all of that and

1384
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,040
i mean there were some that just like

1385
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,880
okay well this is

1386
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,359
it then i'm just not gonna even go any

1387
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,200
further kind of thing

1388
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,960
um

1389
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,160
and of course

1390
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,040
they look at things more black and white

1391
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,559
so

1392
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,480
you know it's like the hitchhiker well

1393
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:16,160
it's a virus

1394
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:20,880
need to figure out how to treat this

1395
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,839
virus and it's like oh my god

1396
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,799
you know

1397
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,400
they they just

1398
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:28,079
take things

1399
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,839
and run with them in these weird ways

1400
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,680
yeah

1401
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
how can we profit off of it is what i

1402
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,359
heard when it when they turn it into a

1403
00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:39,520
virus what kind of medicine can we

1404
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,620
charge people for

1405
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,839
[Laughter]

1406
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,470
i just

1407
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:47,599
yeah

1408
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,799
it it acts like a virus right it goes

1409
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,200
with you it goes to your home

1410
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,280
it affects other people clings onto them

1411
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,040
in your household

1412
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,440
yeah it also goes to people that don't

1413
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,400
know anything about it

1414
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:06,880
yeah that's interesting

1415
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:11,040
that is interesting to me and how yeah

1416
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,760
and

1417
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,480
it's interesting because i go to like

1418
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,559
doctor's offices and things like that

1419
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,720
and weird stuff will happen

1420
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,200
and the doctors will go

1421
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,799
you know they're like that is so weird

1422
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,960
my office must be

1423
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:28,960
you know haunted or whatever and i'm

1424
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,349
yeah must be

1425
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,839
yeah your office is haunted

1426
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,920
nothing can do this nothing to do with

1427
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:40,960
me

1428
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,670
i should probably go for your benefit

1429
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,799
yeah

1430
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,040
um well i had a great we're hitting the

1431
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,720
hour mark here i had a wonderful time

1432
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,799
with you linda and finally meeting with

1433
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:59,359
you and getting to talk uh with you

1434
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,400
um

1435
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,640
before we go is there

1436
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,319
uh and i'm sure we'll do it again

1437
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,680
hopefully

1438
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,559
um if it's up to me yes

1439
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,160
um

1440
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,240
is there anything you would like to say

1441
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,880
before you go anything at all you know

1442
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,040
um get out there anything we missed or

1443
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,520
anything on your mind or hard

1444
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,079
i just think you know there needs to be

1445
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,760
better dialogue

1446
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,760
um

1447
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,920
that's the only way we can

1448
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,040
[Music]

1449
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,960
help with this issue

1450
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:33,760
open it up help people to understand but

1451
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,880
it has to be respectful dialogue

1452
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,799
yeah

1453
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,839
um

1454
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,119
i know

1455
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:44,799
that i could

1456
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,160
do better with that sometimes as well so

1457
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:50,000
maybe we all could in different ways i

1458
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,960
guess

1459
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:52,880
um but we're only responsible for

1460
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,599
ourselves so i know i will do uh the

1461
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,559
best

1462
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:58,799
on my behalf so for those of you

1463
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,559
watching i hope you you do that too

1464
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,760
um

1465
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,520
and yeah take it a step at a time you

1466
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,200
know we're not the masters of anything

1467
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,960
or have the answers of everything but i

1468
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:10,960
think what you said is is brilliant just

1469
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,839
let's start with respectful dialogue

1470
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,799
wow

1471
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,680
yeah

1472
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,079
all right linda i had a great time with

1473
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:19,760
you

1474
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,359
and we will do it again

1475
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,040
okay thank you

1476
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,880
all right bye linda hi

1477
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:32,799
hi

1478
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,000
all right that was a great chat with

1479
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,920
linda uh you can go follow her on

1480
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:39,119
twitter

1481
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,960
obviously you've just listened to her

1482
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,400
great person

1483
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:45,359
um and i'm happy i got to talk to her

1484
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,640
and

1485
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:50,160
wait to do it more so

1486
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,680
with that being said

1487
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:53,200
i

1488
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:54,079
have

1489
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,520
a brand new

1490
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,720
very cool song that i made this morning

1491
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,440
yes i keep making songs but this one

1492
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,040
is like this should be on the pop charts

1493
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,559
for sure

1494
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:07,920
like it's indie skinny jean rock

1495
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,359
you know synthesizers 80 80s stuff and

1496
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:12,799
all that so

1497
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,130
um

1498
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:15,200
[Music]

1499
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,079
you know

1500
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,599
hopefully you like it all right have a

1501
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,640
good day i'll check you tomorrow

1502
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:22,839
and we'll have a good time

1503
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,559
bye ten nine eight

1504
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,599
seven

1505
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,559
six

1506
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,640
five

1507
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,760
three

1508
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,880
two

1509
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:33,920
one

1510
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:38,120
zero and liftoff

1511
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:44,160
[Music]

1512
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,069
it's really up from here

1513
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:56,069
no place to run from

1514
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:00,150
your secret fear

1515
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,309
you brought a knife out

1516
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:08,230
to a gunfight

1517
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,470
we thought you held it

1518
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,820
too late at night

1519
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:22,470
[Music]

1520
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,850
[Applause]

1521
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:32,309
[Music]

1522
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:35,510
madness

1523
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,610
you just gotta let it go

1524
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,000
[Music]

1525
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:46,580
you just gotta let it

1526
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,079
[Music]

1527
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,589
just gotta let it

1528
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,670
get deep sadness

1529
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,010
just gotta let it flow

1530
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:07,990
[Music]

1531
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,840
all your baggage

1532
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:16,000
[Music]

1533
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:27,240
how we got here

1534
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:36,950
[Music]

1535
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,420
spend your money

1536
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:40,960
[Music]

1537
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:44,720
or leave it here

1538
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,480
my grandpa told me

1539
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:48,960
[Music]

1540
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:07,040
just stop don't drop

1541
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:28,309
[Music]

1542
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:35,790
before you live in fear

1543
01:05:07,109 --> 01:04:43,860
[Music]